Small Stakes No-Limit Hold'em - Topic: KK in difficult spot

Rocketfingers on KK in difficult spot

Tue, 06 Apr 2010 06:02:30 +0000

Murthag said:
Two reads would have helped you :

- I found that some players are "Paired Board Crazy" trying to bluff and re-bluff a lot in flop paired board.

Thats definitely true. I really don't know why but some players totally turn into crazy monkies once the flop comes paired. But this guy did'nt seem like one of them.

- How this player extract value when very strong : milking, slowplaying, full steam?

It seems to me that you should improve in those WA/WB situation, especially in flop paired board (how to extract value, bluff, read, ...).

Btw, don't you use a stats HUD?

I use but I don't rely too much on it. Basicly it's a regular/fish detector for me.

Murthag on KK in difficult spot

Tue, 06 Apr 2010 04:03:40 +0000

If Vilain 3bets light and play a wide range PF he is probably more a LAG than a Calling station. The hand where he has QQ : 3bet pre and play passively in a WA/WB situation is a good play. So he is probably a thinking LAG.

In this spot, I think he can c/r + turn barrel very wide because ur image is probably tight and very few hand in your range can stand the heat of a multiple barrel bluff in this spot.

Against a thinking aggressive oponent in a WA/WB situation, your are probably better taking the pot control line : checking flop or turn, betting half pot for value or inducing.

I think his hand is heavily weighted toward semi-bluffs and bluffs in this spot (at least on the flop). I would make my decision on the flop : fold or call until the river.

Two reads would have helped you :

- I found that some players are "Paired Board Crazy" trying to bluff and re-bluff a lot in flop paired board.

- How this player extract value when very strong : milking, slowplaying, full steam?

It seems to me that you should improve in those WA/WB situation, especially in flop paired board (how to extract value, bluff, read, ...).

Btw, don't you use a stats HUD?

Hitman on KK in difficult spot

Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:38:08 +0000

I agree with Sunny fwiw. Any time a player who's modus operandi post flop is passive play comes out check-raising the flop and barrelling, you're very often going to be in bad shape in this spot. Yes players can use a board like this to semi-bluff a draw knowing how much pressure they can put on you, but this villain is a drooler who has demonstrated he plays most hands passively (and "most hands" one continues with will be marginal made hands and draws). No reason to think this guy has suddenly changed his colors. J8s good, nh sir.

Sunny Mehta on KK in difficult spot

Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:26:16 +0000

i think you played it fine. obv the flop is a way ahead/way behind situation, and against certain players i'll check it back because good things can happen (induce bluffs, let them pick up a worse pair, control pot, etc). but against very passive predictable postflop players, betting is probably better. against this guy, his raise followed up by that turn bet size probably means you're in bad shape, particularly given the turn card. (i.e. sometimes these goofs will raise the flop with a six).

Rocketfingers on KK in difficult spot

Wed, 03 Mar 2010 10:29:42 +0000

This hand occured yesterday on Full Tilt. Villain is a complete space kadet, he 3 bets light, limps with weak hands (once with K7s) and than plays passively post-flop. I can recall a hand where he 3 bet QQ he get called flop came KK7o 9 turn and A river and he checked through until showdown. Only history he has with me is that I 4 bet him twice and he folded twice.

Pre flop I think his range is PPs up to 99 ( he would 3 bet every other PP IMO) I think he would 3 bet AK AQ KQ. So his calling range is every suited connected hand (34s+), every suited one gapper (46s+) maybe even two gappers (57s). And perhaps KJo, KTo, K9o, aces A6+.

Flop I think his check raise could mean a flush draw, a J or set of 6 ses. I don't think he have worse pairs since he would 3 bet QQ TT call with other pairs pre and now c/c to try to take it to showdown. He can very well plan to chk-raise a draw since I c-bet 100% up to this point.

I think I can't shove b/c I don't know if he calls with draws but definitly calls with every one of his better hands. So I call to reevaluate on the turn.

Turn: I don't think he will continue his semi-bluff since he can very well be drawing dead now, and it's not likely that I fold anything I called with on the flop. I think his range here is KJ, AJ, JQ, JT, J9, J8 maybe J7, sometimes 66.

I think he had the best hand here, but I'm not sure I can still see him betting the rare QQ or a draw. I would apperciate any advice on the hand.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) - Hold'em Manager Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

BB ($82.85)
Hero (UTG) ($65)
Button ($41)
SB ($70.95)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Kd, Kh
Hero bets $1.75, 1 fold, SB calls $1.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($4) Jh, Jc, 6h (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.50, SB raises $10, Hero calls $6.50

Turn: ($24) 6c (2 players)
SB bets $15, Hero folds

Total pot: $24