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10:00 am
June 8, 2009
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Ed Miller
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mart1 said:
great post matt, it made me buying that. One Last Question: Will it work on Iphone/Ipod Touch?
I'm going to try to get it to work on the Iphone, but Kindle and Sony Reader are higher priorities on the cool device front. :)
On the upside, I actually have an Iphone, so I can test it.
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11:46 am
June 8, 2009
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jdk050507
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I play micro-online and live small stakes poker on a very part time basis. To anyone who read what these 3 authors put out in PNLHE, and studied and understood and applied the material in it…………you will understand exactly what I mean when I say that when I saw this next book was going to be 40 bucks, I felt like I was getting away with bloody murder. I don't care if its an E-book or a hard copy or if they want to send me an audio file of Ed reading the damn thing.
I could five table 5/10 cent NL online and pay for this book in less than 2 days with what I learned in PNLHE. If you played live 1/2, using the principles from Their first book, and depending on your skill level (aka how well you can apply their principles), you could pay for this second book in 2-6 hours of play (I'm referring to long-term expectation here).
If you honestly read PNLHE, and didn't understand how valuable and revolutionary their explanations were ( I won't even claim their ideas were revolutionary, because I'm sure some old timer forty years ago was thinking about stack to pot ratios), then I can see why your complaining about 40 dollars for an entire book by these authors…….because your an idiot who didn't even realize the first book was worth its weight in gold.
I promise I'm not on the authors payroll, but I feel like it with all the money their ideas have made me…………….and I don't even play that much and I play very small stakes.
So I'm surprised that anyone who claims to know anything about NL hold 'em is complaining about their price tag.
I know someone personally who plays live 1/2 NL (much more than me) and has made thousands this year so far (and thousands last year)…..he would attribute most of his success to the ideas in PNLHE.
There is no reason these professional authors should even have to entertain and respond to such stupid and childish posts complaining about 40 bucks for the material they've spent months(years?) writing and compiling.
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4:48 pm
June 8, 2009
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JJS
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Post edited 11:49 pm – June 8, 2009 by JJS
Matt Flynn said:
Mason desperately wants this book to fail.
Yet another good reason to buy the book. 
I already ordered mine.
$40 is not a lot for a book nowadays. OK it's $10 more than most books on bookstore shelves, but a lot of those books aren't really very good.
As for the $100 price, I think Ed already indicated that if it doesn't sell at that price then they will re-think their pricing. And that's just as it should be. The authors have the right to get as much as the market will bear. They are not running a charity, they are running a business.
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9:41 am
June 9, 2009
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fishtastic
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Post edited 4:44 pm – June 9, 2009 by fishtastic
$40 is not a lot for a book nowadays. OK it's $10 more than most books on bookstore shelves, but a lot of those books aren't really very good.
Even if you only want to look at it from the perspective of comparing the price to other non-ebook poker books, paying an extra $10 for contemporary information specifically tailored to the online 6-max games is easily worth it. The closest thing 2p2 has (to my knowledge) is Harrington on Cash Games 1+2, which seems to be targeted towards deep-stacked full-ring live games with weak players. In HOCG volume 2, Dan states that online 0.25/0.50 and above is for professionals.
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5:07 pm
June 9, 2009
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cyberprime
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jdk050507 said:
There is no reason these professional authors should even have to entertain and respond to such stupid and childish posts complaining about 40 bucks for the material they've spent months(years?) writing and compiling.
People have every right and OBLIGATION to question (respectfully) what they are getting for their money- hard-earned or otherwise.
You are about the 5th self-proclaimed micro-limit player to insult every person on these forums who showed intellect enough to ask questions.
I see a pattern. Some always call when they have a flush draw. Winners always ask if they are getting the right price.
Stop putting other people down and think about it…
(and I claim the record for most hyphened post)
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6:19 pm
June 9, 2009
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Blah
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You guys saying 100$ is to expensive, have you even read any of Ed's articles? 350 pages of that is a GREAT deal. The guy writes gold he explains solid concepts and explains them well. His book is defintaly worth way more than what he's asking for – I guarantee it.
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7:31 pm
June 9, 2009
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jdk050507
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cyberprime said:
People have every right and OBLIGATION to question (respectfully) what they are getting for their money- hard-earned or otherwise.
You are about the 5th self-proclaimed micro-limit player to insult every person on these forums who showed intellect enough to ask questions.
I see a pattern. Some always call when they have a flush draw. Winners always ask if they are getting the right price.
Stop putting other people down and think about it…
(and I claim the record for most hyphened post)
Cyberprime:
You should have also claimed the record for dumbest post.
First of all a winning player may ask if they are getting the right price on a flush draw, but great players consider raising also. (think about it…..)
If some no-name like "cyberprime" was selling an e-book for 40 bucks…yea I'd question the price tag. However, its not like we don't have a litmust test on the authors, is it? The posts that people wrote such as "wow 40 bucks is ALLOT….bla bla bla…..how could they dare charge that?!?"…..its like they haven't even read or studied the material from the authors first book. Of course people have a right to ask what's in the book, but to question the price is childish at best.
Which is still my only point. Anyone who studied their first book and utilized the material, wouldn't even flinch about the 40 dollar price tag. Period.
-jdk050507
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8:45 pm
June 9, 2009
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Pete
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One perspective:
I've made money off the writings in the past, $40 is unreasonably low. The authors have quite a bit of material in terms of articles, videos and prior books. There shouldn't be much of a question in terms of value.
Another pespective:
There's quite a bit of free material out there. I'm not a professional player, $40 is quite a bit of money for a hobby. There are no reviews yet, so it's a gamble. I'm not quite sure about the business model concerning the $39.95 to $100.00 just 2 weeks later. As a consumer, I have every right to question the material and justify the purchase.
Did I nail it here guys? If so, can we just be somewhat civil and take the emotion out of it. You're free to do what you want, but personally, I'd love to see these forums be useful like Stox and not hateful like 2+2.
I appreciate both perspectives.. and I think there's room for all of us here. :) Just my 00000010 cents.
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9:46 pm
June 9, 2009
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Sunny Mehta
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6:11 am
June 10, 2009
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I'd just like to say I can't wait until we get our hands on a copy and get away from the "boo-hoo $40 [$100] is a lot of money" and start to talk poker !
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7:30 am
June 11, 2009
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jdk050507
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I apologize to cyberprime and the forum for my harsh words. I honestly just can't believe its only 40 bucks.
I seriously can hardly wait for this thing to come out!
-jdk050507
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7:47 pm
June 11, 2009
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Hitman
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cyberprime said:
jdk050507 said:
There is no reason these professional authors should even have to entertain and respond to such stupid and childish posts complaining about 40 bucks for the material they've spent months(years?) writing and compiling.
People have every right and OBLIGATION to question (respectfully) what they are getting for their money- hard-earned or otherwise.
You are about the 5th self-proclaimed micro-limit player to insult every person on these forums who showed intellect enough to ask questions.
I see a pattern. Some always call when they have a flush draw. Winners always ask if they are getting the right price.
Stop putting other people down and think about it…
(and I claim the record for most hyphened post)
FTR cyber I agree with you that there is nothing wrong with respectfully asking the question. I also agree with the other poster, as I stated earlier, based on previous value these authors have provided, I do not believe I'm always drawing to a flush here, I believe I'm making a solid read despite incomplete information that the price is right.
And also FTR I don't believe I've insulted anyone here, except for Mason (and make no mistake, I'd bet money he IS here). And I'm not a self-proclaimed micro limit player, I am a successful player at $1-$2 and $2-$4. My win rate (which was already positive) improved solidly after PNLHE V1.
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8:39 pm
June 11, 2009
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Matt Flynn
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Post edited 3:41 am – June 12, 2009 by Matt Flynn
I saw at least another two threads on SSNL were deleted from 2+2 today. This is awesome.
Oh and welcome to the forums Mason. You forgot to cloak your IP address.
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9:15 pm
June 11, 2009
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Little Old Lady
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Matt–
Which ones were deleted? Quadaces9999's thread in Books and Publications was destickied, but it's still there. I don't actually know why it was stickied in the first place. Mason locked it and then announced it was unlocked, and it was both unlocked and stickied. Now it's unlocked and unstickied. Go figure! Mynameiswowo's thread in ATF asking why all the SSNL threads were ninja killed is also still there. So what deletions did I miss?
Little Old Lady
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6:31 am
June 12, 2009
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fishtastic
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I haven't been keeping track or anything, but it seems a thread pops up in Books and Pubs about every other day and is deleted. The quadaces thread is lasting surprisingly long.
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7:16 am
June 12, 2009
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Kobe Jordan
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I'm looking to get my hands on this book. i just hope this book doesn't make the games too tough by educating all the fish!!
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7:51 am
June 12, 2009
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Hitman
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Matt Flynn said:
Post edited 8:41 pm – June 11, 2009 by Matt Flynn
Oh and welcome to the forums Mason. You forgot to cloak your IP address.
Ding! Another solid read by the Hitman. 
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8:38 am
June 12, 2009
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JJS
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Pete said:
…can we just be somewhat civil and take the emotion out of it. You're free to do what you want, but personally, I'd love to see these forums be useful like Stox and not hateful like 2+2.
This.
Please everyone, if you disagree with someone then just say "I disagree and here's the reason why…". There's no need for words like "idiot" and "moron" etc. Even though someone might not be using those words literally, they are just inflammatory and do nothing to promote useful discussion.
Even though I personally think it is at least 99% likely that this book is worth its full $100 price, other people may not feel that way, and they can ask questions if they want to.
Of course, the people who question should abide by the same rules of civility as those who answer (I'm thinking here of the troll who posted on Ed's blog and accused Ed of "deceitful behavior" or some such thing – what a nice first post to put on someone's blog…)
Don't assume the worst when you question, just ask the question and keep an open mind to the answer.
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10:52 am
June 12, 2009
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Little Old Lady
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Post edited 5:59 pm – June 12, 2009 by Little Old Lady
Little Old Lady said:
Matt–
Which ones were deleted? Quadaces9999's thread in Books and Publications was destickied, but it's still there. I don't actually know why it was stickied in the first place. Mason locked it and then announced it was unlocked, and it was both unlocked and stickied. Now it's unlocked and unstickied. Go figure! Mynameiswowo's thread in ATF asking why all the SSNL threads were ninja killed is also still there. So what deletions did I miss?
Little Old Lady
Hmmmm, so Mason just posted asking Quadaces9999's thread be kept unlocked and re-stickied….
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11:03 am
June 12, 2009
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$40 for the pre-order was a no-brainer.
PNLHE was great, does anybody really think that SSNLHE would be a waste of $40?
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