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12:14 pm
June 12, 2009
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Little Old Lady
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Little Old Lady said:
Post edited 10:59 am – June 12, 2009 by Little Old Lady
Little Old Lady said:
Matt–
Which ones were deleted? Quadaces9999's thread in Books and Publications was destickied, but it's still there. I don't actually know why it was stickied in the first place. Mason locked it and then announced it was unlocked, and it was both unlocked and stickied. Now it's unlocked and unstickied. Go figure! Mynameiswowo's thread in ATF asking why all the SSNL threads were ninja killed is also still there. So what deletions did I miss?
Little Old Lady
Hmmmm, so Mason just posted asking Quadaces9999's thread be kept unlocked and re-stickied….
Further hmmmmm Quadaces9999's thread is now unstickied and locked, but not deleted. Now stickied is Mason's policy statement exhorting ebook publishers/authors to buy 2p2 ads and see their sales soar and stating that ads for ebooks that Mason deems will cause their readers to lose their money will not be permitted. Keeping track of all this is making me dizzy. Maybe I should stop trying to keep track of it, and just wait patiently until Tuesday and Wednesday when people who actually have a chance to look at the book start posting their initial reactions.
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12:15 pm
June 12, 2009
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Little Old Lady
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Little Old Lady said:
Post edited 10:59 am – June 12, 2009 by Little Old Lady
Little Old Lady said:
Matt–
Which ones were deleted? Quadaces9999's thread in Books and Publications was destickied, but it's still there. I don't actually know why it was stickied in the first place. Mason locked it and then announced it was unlocked, and it was both unlocked and stickied. Now it's unlocked and unstickied. Go figure! Mynameiswowo's thread in ATF asking why all the SSNL threads were ninja killed is also still there. So what deletions did I miss?
Little Old Lady
Hmmmm, so Mason just posted asking Quadaces9999's thread be kept unlocked and re-stickied….
Further hmmmmm Quadaces9999's thread is now unstickied and locked, but not deleted. Now stickied is Mason's policy statement exhorting ebook publishers/authors to buy 2p2 ads and see their sales soar and stating that ads for ebooks that Mason deems will cause their readers to lose their money will not be permitted. Keeping track of all this is making me dizzy. Maybe I should stop trying to keep track of it, and just wait patiently until Tuesday and Wednesday when people who actually have a chance to look at the book start posting their initial reactions.
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1:07 pm
June 12, 2009
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Matt Flynn
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Mason has had to reinvent his policies and randomly change them several times to account for his vastly different treatment of ebooks vs. regular books, and to shelter the real reason he is doing all this: he cannot stand that we might succeed without him, he does not understand epublishing and doesn't want to, and he cannot comprehend that an author may be much better off financially without him.
Again, a big whatever. He can delete away and obfuscate at will – it does not matter.
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2:39 pm
June 12, 2009
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Badlilmonkey
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jdk050507 said:
SNiP: However, its not like we don't have a litmust test on the authors, is it? SNIP
Actually, I would like to know which online handles all 3 use to apply just that. A litmus test as to their win rates etc.
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4:38 pm
June 12, 2009
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Matt Flynn
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Badlilmonkey said:
Actually, I would like to know which online handles all 3 use to apply just that. A litmus test as to their win rates etc.
Well you won't get mine. This reveals a split between generations and by age. People in currently in their early 20s think nothing of giving up personal information. It is quite dumb to announce one's sig. Do you know what an IRS audit costs a guy like me, even if nothing wrong is found? And I pay all my taxes on online poker winnings, which is absolutely brutal given the alternative minimum tax and the present outrageous way of treating gambling winnings if you aren't allowed to file as a professional gambler. You are a superidiot to give your sig if you DON'T pay taxes.
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4:42 pm
June 12, 2009
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Post edited 11:44 pm – June 12, 2009 by Matt Flynn
Here's the quadaces thread, ordered stickied and left open by Mason in the last post (after reading here I have no doubt), then unstickied and locked:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo&…..ny-504747/
The first rule about SSNL is don't talk about SSNL….
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5:18 pm
June 12, 2009
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Little Old Lady
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Little Old Lady said:
Post edited 10:59 am – June 12, 2009 by Little Old Lady
Little Old Lady said:
Matt–
Which ones were deleted? Quadaces9999's thread in Books and Publications was destickied, but it's still there. I don't actually know why it was stickied in the first place. Mason locked it and then announced it was unlocked, and it was both unlocked and stickied. Now it's unlocked and unstickied. Go figure! Mynameiswowo's thread in ATF asking why all the SSNL threads were ninja killed is also still there. So what deletions did I miss?
Little Old Lady
Hmmmm, so Mason just posted asking Quadaces9999's thread be kept unlocked and re-stickied….
Further hmmmmm Quadaces9999's thread is now unstickied and locked, but not deleted. Now stickied is Mason's policy statement exhorting ebook publishers/authors to buy 2p2 ads and see their sales soar and stating that ads for ebooks that Mason deems will cause their readers to lose their money will not be permitted. Keeping track of all this is making me dizzy. Maybe I should stop trying to keep track of it, and just wait patiently until Tuesday and Wednesday when people who actually have a chance to look at the book start posting their initial reactions.
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9:44 am
June 14, 2009
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Once this book is released, Mason is going to have a tough time trying to contain it. I know my review is going up there after I had a chance to read it over a few times and let some of the concepts sink in.
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11:12 pm
June 21, 2009
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Post edited 6:14 am – June 22, 2009 by davechronic
Post edited 6:25 am – June 22, 2009 by davechronic
Post edited 6:32 am – June 22, 2009 by davechronic
I have been a loyal customer to Ed Miller and Matt Flynn since day 1. To only have the $40 discounted price for a short time is a slap to the face to their loyal customers as well as customers that have faith in the quality of product with very little reviews to date. At least most new poker establishments such as CR or Poker VT have a discounted price for the first month or two until more reviews and word of mouth has spread. Even if I had to pay $100 for a paperback and wait a week for it to arrive at my door, that is better than getting an e-document version that I have to print out myself with absolutely NO resale value. Im very disappointed that the authors decided to sell out in this way. I will not be giving in to these strong-arm tactics and hope that the figurative tail between the legs comes to pass sooner rather than later so their so called “small-stakes” players that they claim to be targeting can happily support this product.
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11:48 pm
June 21, 2009
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Post edited 6:58 am – June 22, 2009 by jz1014
I have been a loyal customer to Ed Miller and Matt Flynn since day 1. To only have the $40 discounted price for a short time is a slap to the face to their loyal customers as well as customers that have faith in the quality of product with very little reviews to date. At least most new poker establishments such as CR or Poker VT have a discounted price for the first month or two until more reviews and word of mouth has spread. Even if I had to pay $100 for a paperback and wait a week for it to arrive at my door, that is better than getting an e-document version that I have to print out myself with absolutely NO resale value. Im very disappointed that the authors decided to sell out in this way. I will not be giving in to these strong-arm tactics and hope that the figurative tail between the legs comes to pass sooner rather than later so their so called “small-stakes” players that they claim to be targeting can happily support this product.
I preordered the book, but even if I hadn't I still think this book is well worth the current price (in fact if you goto the general forums you will see there are plenty who think the book is underpriced given the content). If you play 50NL or above, I really don't think its very hard to justify the purchase, since this book will basically pay for itself.
All that being said, I don't know how anyone can complain about the preorder period with a straight face. The authors gave us more than advanced warning that it was coming and that it was only going to be 2 weeks long. There were several entries on stoxpoker, notedpokerauthority, this site, etc. telling us it was going to happen that way, and then several more posts when the preorder period was going on…. I'm not sure how you could of missed it.
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10:44 am
June 22, 2009
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Post edited 8:47 pm – June 22, 2009 by Ed Miller
Hi davechronic,
I'm definitely sorry you feel wronged by the way we've released the book so far. We're likely going to stick with our current pricing for the foreseeable future, but I wanted to tell you that we probably will have a paper version forthcoming within the next couple of months (basically I'm getting started on getting the book printed now and it will be done whenever it's done). The paper copies are intended to be an optional add-on for people who have bought the e-book, not as a replacement for or alternate version from the e-book.
And it's possible we will offer contests for free copies from time to time. If you subscribe by email to my website you will be alerted of any upcoming events automatically:
http://notedpokerauthority.com/subscribe
I don't think it's fair to say that we're trying to strongarm people. I like the price because it makes our book very affordable compared to the other high-level hardcore poker e-books out there. But I realize that the $99.95 price point doesn't make this book the cheapest option out there.
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4:38 pm
June 22, 2009
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I'm going to say something here that I bet all three authors have thought of but they are too polite to come right out and say it.
To all those who think the authors are being "unfair" with their pricing, I challenge you to become an entrepreneur yourself and bring your own product to market. Then you can set your price nice and low and show all of us how it's done.
I am not an entrepreneur, but I know people who are. Bringing a product to market is not just "hard work". It's headache, heartache, and aggravation. Not just for the entrepreneur, but usually for their family too.
So if you feel strongly enough that you must post about it, just say "Your book is overpriced and I'm not gonna buy it". Period, end of sentence, end of issue. They have the right to set their price, and you have the right to not buy it if you don't want to pay that price.
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12:36 am
June 23, 2009
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Post edited 7:37 am – June 23, 2009 by Tackleberry
Ed Miller said:
Post edited 1:47 pm – June 22, 2009 by Ed Miller
Hi davechronic,
I'm definitely sorry you feel wronged by the way we've released the book so far. We're likely going to stick with our current pricing for the foreseeable future, but I wanted to tell you that we probably will have a paper version forthcoming within the next couple of months (basically I'm getting started on getting the book printed now and it will be done whenever it's done). The paper copies are intended to be an optional add-on for people who have bought the e-book, not as a replacement for or alternate version from the e-book.
And it's possible we will offer contests for free copies from time to time. If you subscribe by email to my website you will be alerted of any upcoming events automatically:
http://notedpokerauthority.com/subscribe
I don't think it's fair to say that we're trying to strongarm people. I like the price because it makes our book very affordable compared to the other high-level hardcore poker e-books out there. But I realize that the $99.95 price point doesn't make this book the cheapest option out there.
1) I think it´s absolutely wrong (not to say flat dumb) to say – “Wow – this is an electronic book, they have no costs, they´re robbing me!”.
2) I wrote a book myself (not a poker book – lol) and I know how much hard work sticks in it. Every little counts, for example every mentioned hand hand has to be double- or better triplechecked if there any mistakes in the betsizing, in the mentioned stacks, in the betting-action, in given positions, Villains stats – last but not least in the advice how to play this specific hand and what not … and I think we all agree that this book has a superior quality, not only in terms of the content but as well as in terms of accuracy. I repeat what I already said in another post – the authors earned my full respect for that.
3) To say that the book won´t sell well enough is onesided thinking as well. I don´t know if it was the intention of the authors but I guess this book is not intended to be a mass product, a must-read for anybody who wants to sit down at a table. It´s an sophisticated and solid work-book for anybody who is really serious about the game – so I don´t mind it being more expensive than a mass-product.
4) Last but not least – which is completely irrelevant b/c the price is the lone decision of the authors and everybody is free to refrain from buying it – after having worked through the first half of the book I have to say that this book simply isn´t comparable with others … and I would have bought it even if it has cost $200 or even more (and I am serious about it!!), because I know I win back this money pretty fast – so what? I mean three months of Stoxpoker membership cost the same – and who complains about it??
So, I had to say that.
Btw – @Ed: the idea of issueing an additional paper book for your e-book-customers is simply great – and I am looking forward to it!  (The only thing I am sad about by now is that again some people will start to complain about the additional price for the paper book being too expensive … no matter what you´ll take for it  ).
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9:33 am
June 23, 2009
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Post edited 4:35 pm – June 23, 2009 by ShtStirrer
Post edited 4:38 pm – June 23, 2009 by ShtStirrer
I reeeally don't think the authors should apologize for pricing the book the way they have.
I took a chance, and got a copy. Maybe the book might have sucked, and maybe not. That's true with any purchase you make in life.
Having said that, whether you pay $40 or $100, the book is still worth the money – and for me, it's already paid for itself within a couple of days of my buying it.
If the purchase price is too much for you to part with, you really shouldn't be playing poker in the first place (cheapo syndrome).
I don't have the time – nor inclination – to figure things out by myself, to learn things through trial and error – this is why I paid up for the book, to benefit from the expertise and experience of the authors.
This is why I don't feel sorry for people who are upset over the book's price… not one stinking bit.
Get over it.
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6:38 am
July 23, 2009
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Post edited 1:49 pm – July 23, 2009 by Wada
Ed Miller said:
Post edited 1:47 pm – June 22, 2009 by Ed Miller
but I wanted to tell you that we probably will have a paper version forthcoming within the next couple of months (basically I'm getting started on getting the book printed now and it will be done whenever it's done). The paper copies are intended to be an optional add-on for people who have bought the e-book, not as a replacement for or alternate version from the e-book.
I hope this is true. I was more put off by the fact that its an ebook rather than the price. Althought the thought, “man its kinda expensive…” came to mind when I saw the price.
There is just something nostalgic about having a hard copy in my hands that I can read while in bed or outside on the patio porch in the morning with my cup of coffee that I cannot do with an ebook. No I am not referring to a laptop where I press page down. I'm talking about actually turning the pages, thumbing through it, flipping the pages, or fanning through it with your thumbs on the edges of the pages.
Plus I can't pack an eBook in my backpack and read the book while sitting on the beach. I can't read an eBook sitting in the sun to get some rays. Some people don't have laptops and I am not taking my laptop to the beach. Also, it sucks to read a laptop screen in the sun, pretty hard to see the screen.
Don't you authors (and readers) remember the feeling of reading the newspaper with your cup of coffee? Actually having the paper in your hands and turning the pages?
The nostalgia will be missed.
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7:01 am
July 24, 2009
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Wada said:
I hope this is true. I was more put off by the fact that its an ebook rather than the price. Althought the thought, “man its kinda expensive…” came to mind when I saw the price.
There is just something nostalgic about having a hard copy in my hands that I can read while in bed or outside on the patio porch in the morning with my cup of coffee that I cannot do with an ebook. No I am not referring to a laptop where I press page down. I'm talking about actually turning the pages, thumbing through it, flipping the pages, or fanning through it with your thumbs on the edges of the pages.
Plus I can't pack an eBook in my backpack and read the book while sitting on the beach. I can't read an eBook sitting in the sun to get some rays. Some people don't have laptops and I am not taking my laptop to the beach. Also, it sucks to read a laptop screen in the sun, pretty hard to see the screen.
Don't you authors (and readers) remember the feeling of reading the newspaper with your cup of coffee? Actually having the paper in your hands and turning the pages?
The nostalgia will be missed.
Wada, perhaps you'd do better with Tom Clancy or some of the Harry Potter books?
As I'm starting to improve my game with the authors advice from SSNLHE, and profit more directly from their e-book, the last thing on my mind was "man I wish my studying of the book could have been on a beach with a hard copy!!". Or perhaps I'm thinking, "man I'm learning so much about online play and having allot of fun improving, but damn!…..my study sessions just weren't nostalgic!".
Not to mention, you can PRINT OUT YOUR OWN HARD COPY AND TAKE IT TO THE BEACH OR IN YOUR BACKPACK OR WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH IT, along with your coffee. 
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11:18 am
July 24, 2009
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I too was more put off by the fact that it was an ebook than by the price, but now that I have it, I was pleasantly surprised by the experience. I run it in full screen mode, a click of the mouse to "turn the page". I would still like a hard copy, to read in the bathroom, in bed, on the deck, etc, but this ebook thing is not nearly as bad as I had thought it would be.
By the way, I just got it yesterday, and I'm trying very hard to read slowly, but I'm halfway done already. I can't "put it down" so to speak. There's a lot of good stuff in there. Fortunately, I can see many re-readings in this books future….
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