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3:03 am
July 9, 2009
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LowWaterMark
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In full-ring, $1-2 and below, does this chapter apply at all? If this is where I'm currently playing, would I be safe to skip this chapter and wing it in those exceedingly rare situations where it gets to 4 or 5 bets?
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11:08 am
July 9, 2009
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Matt Flynn
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Yes it does. Think about someone open-raising to you in the cutoff. What matters is the opener's raising range, not his position. If he open-raisies light, you are playing the 3-bet/4-bet/5-bet game, regardless of which position he opened from.
Otherwise, think of it as relevant when the first three positions fold. This is kind of a poor way of looking at it since the real issue is the raiser's raising range, but it makes the relevancy of the 3-bet/4-bet/5-bet game obvious.
Matt
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11:09 am
July 9, 2009
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Mike F
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I am presently playing NL50 Full Ring. Generally speaking most 3bet ranges at this level are very strong; there isn't much light 3betting. So there isn't much reason to 4bet bluff. I still recommend reading the chapter when you have a chance to further your understanding….but if your normal game is like mine the 3,4, and 5bets are not a big part of the game.
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2:12 pm
July 9, 2009
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Sunny Mehta
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Mike F,
But in your games, even though 3-bet ranges are tight, what are opening raise ranges like, particularly in late position? Are they fairly wide? Will players open wide but then fold to 3-bets often? If that's the case, you yourself can hammer them by 3-betting lighter than the average player.
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5:08 pm
July 9, 2009
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Mike F
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Post edited 12:09 am – July 10, 2009 by Mike F
Sunny you are right…the LP preflop raising is wider by a lot of players (there are also a lot of multi-tabling extremely tight nits at this level…so their range isn't wide) and I do some light 3-betting on the button and in the blinds (my 3-bet% is about 4%). For 4 betting my experience is except for the occasional maniac type the 4 betting range is very tight. But overall at Full Ring NL50 I don't think 3,4, and 5bets are not a big part of the game…at least compared to six max NL200.
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3:14 am
July 10, 2009
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LowWaterMark
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Mike F, like you I play NL50 full-ring and am dilligently working to apply the concepts herein to the game I love (and can afford).
Sunny and Matt, thank you for taking the time to reply. You've given my another perspective from which to consider the chapter I asked about. It helps enormously to get responses from the authors. Your answers were together coherent and wove into an answer that made sense. Again, thanks.
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