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Hand reading for the 3bet/4bet/5bet game

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12:46 pm
February 15, 2010


WantToLearn

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Post edited 12:47 pm – February 15, 2010 by WantToLearn
Post edited 5:06 am – February 16, 2010 by WantToLearn


I´m struggling badly with the 3bet/4bet/5bet game.

So maybe you can give me a hint wether I´m playing bad or running bad.

I have hand reading problems with their potential resteal 3bets.


Example: The game is NL100 full ring on Stars. 100bb deep.

It is folded to me in the CO, I have A9s. I open raise 3bb. Button is a reg who´s on the sLAG side of full ring, like 19/15. Over 460 hands, he has 3-bet 9% of his hands in general. In the big blind, he has 3bet 45% of his hands. Please note, I understand he is not in the big blind in this hand, but I think it´s a stat that gives us an idea of how he likes to play resteal situatuons, and more than that, one that I had on my HUD in the actual hand. Oh yes, and he sees me as a 16/14 probably and I steal a ton, but I fold way too much to 3bets (like 90% or so). I think it´s pretty safe to assume the villain understands all of this. I look down on my notes on him and they say that he "might bluff big". To summarize, this player is not shy and is in a resteal situation as clear as they come.

So, he 3bets to 10bb. I´m not sure how to play him postflop and decide to fall back on the 4bet shove.

I´d expect this to get a lot of folds and be marginaly profitable.


Now, he calls and turns over QQ.

My point here is that this happens way way way more than I think that it should. It is not just this hand, this is something that seems to happen like always. It´s a clear squeeze/resteal situation, their stats tell me they squeeze and resteal a lot, I 4bet and they show QQ+,AK like one third of the time. Am I going too fast? What am I supposed to wait for? 2000 hands? Or is this just bad luck? What am I missing?


EDIT: I´d like to add that both blinds were taggish player, leaning towards nitty, and thus unlikely to get in our way with anything but monsters.

8:06 am
February 16, 2010


Lorenzo

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If you want to 4bet-resteal in this way, you should use another stack size. 40-50 BB are optimal because

1- they might call with weaker hands due to better odds

2- if you are wrong, you have made a lower mistake.

With 100 BB you can't 4bet shove, you should reraise to 30-35 BB but this leaves you in a difficult spot on the flop.

12:10 pm
February 16, 2010


Sunny Mehta

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posts 66

well you're either incorrect about your opponent's range/tendencies, or you're running bad.  if it's a real source of concern for you, my advice is A) don't get carried away making vehement reads when you have only small samples of hands as evidence, B) err on the side of caution.  if a strong player is playing back at you, respect his position, tighten up a little, and don't go overboard trying to outplay him back.  just play solid tight-aggressive poker against him.  you reduce your variance, and really how much equity are you giving up by folding a couple more marginal spots?  plus, the upside is that if he overestimates how open you are playing, you might bait him into making some really marginal/terrible plays when you're loaded.  (which might also possibly lead to tilting the hell out of him.)

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