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Major leak in my game…

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6:42 pm
July 7, 2009


WheresNemo

NC

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So I've been looking through my hand history and related charts and noticed that I was winning more pots that didn't go to showdown compared to those that did go to showdown. So now I'm trying to focus my game to still be able to steal at the rate (or somwhat close to) what I've been doing but i just need to not shoot myself in the foot and pay off the big hands. I'm starting to get a little better at it and I'm sure over time I'll get even better at it. I'm playing small so my mistakes and the learning curve aren't costing me too much. Any tips or thoughts as to how not to end up paying off the guy with the hidden monster?

All the losers go home complaining about the terrible play of the winners.

3:11 am
July 8, 2009


Rocketfingers

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If you could post your stats (VPIP, PFR, 3bet%, WtSD) would help a lot. If you play a 20/15 style with WtSD around 25  is usually good, and its likely you just get unlucky. I think the two major concepts you should apply is profileing opponents and hand reading.

11:19 am
July 9, 2009


Matt Flynn

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posts 114

First, it is GREAT that you are winning in non-showdown pots.  This speaks very well for your ability to survive and thrive, as really good players tend to make more in non-showdown pots.

Second, fire up your hand databse and cull out the last 100 all-in hands.  Sift through them.  What is happening?  Are you making too many big bluffs against tight players who have shown strength?  That's a big leak.  Are you overestimating opponents' bluffing frequencies in big pots?  That is a HUGE and very common leak.

In smaller games, most players make few big bluffs as a percentage of their big turn and river bets. Sooo, you shouldn't pay them off.  If you have top pair good kicker, and villain makes a big bet on the turn, pause and think.  What percentage of the time does he have you beat?  Typically this is 80% or more, so you just fold.  You CRUSH him by folding if he does not fold when the situation is reversed.

Matt

8:28 pm
July 9, 2009


WheresNemo

NC

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posts 23

Matt Flynn said:

First, it is GREAT that you are winning in non-showdown pots.  This speaks very well for your ability to survive and thrive, as really good players tend to make more in non-showdown pots.

Second, fire up your hand databse and cull out the last 100 all-in hands.  Sift through them.  What is happening?  Are you making too many big bluffs against tight players who have shown strength?  That's a big leak.  Are you overestimating opponents' bluffing frequencies in big pots?  That is a HUGE and very common leak.

In smaller games, most players make few big bluffs as a percentage of their big turn and river bets. Sooo, you shouldn't pay them off.  If you have top pair good kicker, and villain makes a big bet on the turn, pause and think.  What percentage of the time does he have you beat?  Typically this is 80% or more, so you just fold.  You CRUSH him by folding if he does not fold when the situation is reversed.

Matt


One other thing that is happening is I'll get the clueless guy with someting like 62/4 or 8 in the pot with me and he's folded so many hands to my turn or river bets checkcall/raise (on the next street) when I do have a hand and want him to call me down he'll start to get frustrated. I'll get one or two times of him calling me down (sometimes) when I do have a hand but will end up getting called by the guy with bottom pair the one time I am bluffing because he's frustrated that I've been stealing (when up to that point I really haven't) so many pots against him… That scenareo consists of the majority of my showdown losses.

So how do you go about figuring out that the guy is finally frustrated enough with you to make the hero call with bottom pair? I don't want to raise the flop, c-bet get called, check, check and showdown my bluff hands and it's not profitable to follow that line with made hands…Besides I don't really remember the last time that I have played anything following that line. How do you keep from looking weak in that situation? Or would that be a good situation to look weak.  I guess my strong hand line and bluff line need a little balancing. 

Now with that said, pretty much the rest of my showdown losses were a direct result of your last paragraph. And now that I think about it, the majoriy of those times I had TP/TK  or a high pocket pair and instead of me betting into them they were the ones betting into me or at least starting the betting for that round. I'd either check raise the flop, or more often get check raised and then call myself, then to reraise their turn bet, they would either flat call or push. If they flat called, then they shoved the river.

All the losers go home complaining about the terrible play of the winners.

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