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NL Cash game stats/tracking question

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10:37 am
August 3, 2009


mullethaiku

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Hello all. First post. I started playing poker seriously in March of this year. Mostly online MTT and SnG's. ROI around 24%, ITM around 15%. I have done pretty well for a newbie I guess, meaning I'm not in the negative currently :) and have built the bankroll to around $400. (won two $4 buy in - 180 man SnG's, and got 1 second to help bump it up from $50)

I have recently (past few days) tried out some NL cash games to give it a shot, and my game seems to fit pretty nicely for it, maybe better than tourney play. I've had winning sessions the past few days at 9-handed .50/$1 and .25/.50 tables.  I won or broke even most sessions so far (without any experience or knowledge of NL cash games) but I'm realizing I should probably drop down to lower stakes with only $400, and study up before I get in trouble even though I've been running good. What level should I drop to? I feel pretty comfortable and strong beating .25/.50…but should I still drop down lower?

Also, with my new interest in NL cash games, I recently purchased Professional NL Hold'em. I am liking it very much so far, (I'm only 50 pages in). Great job guys! Should I wait to fully digest PNLH a few times before checking out Ed's new E-book? Big difference between 6 handed and full table in these games?  

I feel my game is decent for a newbie, but I have ALOT to learn, and still consider myself a student more than a real player. I needed some help with the cash game stats/tracking. Can someone explain the "3/ 100 BB" type of stats exactly? As well as the amount of buy ins I should have? (I am BRAND NEW to cash play) Also, is there a site to look up your opponent's cash game stats? (I found plenty for tourney stats, but not cash play, I'm guessing there is not) Also, a site/program to keep my own stats? Before you answer, keep in mind I am not a huge math guy (working on it) so simple is best for me at this point.

Sorry for all of the questions, and for writing a novel. I have just been thrust into NL cash games, and I've been really enjoying the play as opposed to tourneys. (this all is supposed to be fun right!?) Thank you in advance for your advice, and thanks to Ed, Matt and Sunny for your books!

1:03 pm
August 3, 2009


WheresNemo

NC

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posts 23

Well to start… Welcome.

The xBB/100 is how many Big Blinds (or Big bets in limit) you average (win) per 100 hands. Yeah a little confusing the way I just explained it but I think you should get it.

As far as buy-ins are concerned, I'll generally have swings of anywhere to 4 to 8 buy-ins on average and I prefer to have quite a few more buy ins behind for any bigger swings that may occurr. It really all depends on how easily your bankroll can be replaced and your goals as far as where you want to go. I've got a thread about this topic somewhere on here. Another thing is how easily do you tilt. For me if I lose a couple buy in's but they are a very small percentage of my bankroll it has less of an effect mentally than it does if I lose a couple buy-ins and they are a considerablt percentage of my bankroll. I'm currently going to move up in levels in the following way… I think.

.01/.02 – I'm there right now and there's no moving down so it doesn't really matter.

.02/.05 – will move up to this level once I have 40 buy ins (will move back down when I hit 40 buy ins of .01/.02)

.05/.10 – will move up when I have 50 buy ins for this level (will move back down when I have 50 buy ins of .02/.05)

.10/.25 – will move up when I have 75 buy ins for this level (will move back down at 75 buy ins for .05/.25)

It'll take some time to get going but I think that this will work for me. I'm not moving back down at the min buy in level for the lower stake so that I'll have less of a loss and less money to recover to work my way back up to the higher level.  Hope that helps some. I probably got sidetracked and didn't get to everything but I'm sure someone else will help out as well.

All the losers go home complaining about the terrible play of the winners.

3:00 pm
August 3, 2009


mullethaiku

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posts 96

Thanks for the info, I have a pretty good grasp of bankroll management for tournament play, but the volatility associated with cash games makes bankroll managment much more crucial.

Do you know of any programs/sites to help you accurately calculate your BB's/100 hand?  Thanks again!

3:31 pm
August 3, 2009


WheresNemo

NC

Member

posts 23

If you've got a Mac PokerCopilot is the best thing out there. It lacks the advanced filters of Poker Tracker or Holdem Manager but it does the job just fine for me. Neither have a naitive program for Macs yet. You've got to either use Parallels, VMWare Fusion or Boot Camp. You'll also need a copy of windows as well to run those on a Mac.

My guess is I didn't need to go that far and that you have a PC…

With that said, Poker Tracker 3 or Holdem Manager seem to be the most popular out there. I don't have any experience with either of those two. I've heard a bunch of good things about both… After you figure out how to set it up and filter everything…

My bias opinion is get a Mac… Things are so much more simple and they actually work…

All the losers go home complaining about the terrible play of the winners.

8:51 am
August 4, 2009


mullethaiku

Member

posts 96

Thanks Nemo. I appreciate the info.

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