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Pot Control – Check back flop when spr is 8 or higher .. check turn usually when under 8

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1:37 pm
March 25, 2011


pokermonster29

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  U guys say 13 is the worst spr mathematically  to withstand 3 big bets with top pair and a good kicker i'm thinking.

     So if i open 89 off on button vs blinds and hit top pair and spr is 10  i'm thinking i will get all i if i dont know my opponent well enough to change my decision from saying that mathmatically he cannot beat my top pair in the long run when spr is ten.  

    If i saw that he only checkraised the flop 5% or less, same percentage of making two pair on flop, then i would fold  vs a checkraise on the flop.

 

Sklansky says to check back either the flop or turn when u do not want to see a checkraise.  He does not specify between possibly doing this with diff stack sizes.

 

'I've concluded maybe that…

Since u usually dont want to see a checkraise with top pair on the flop when spr is esp over 8 or more then it makes sense to check flop here.

 

If Spr is under 8 seems to make sense to bet flop with intention of calling down a cr and future bets since mathematically they cannot beat your top pair in the long run cuz spr is under 13.

Check turn after making flop bet   unless u think your opponent is loose enough andwill call down an 8 spr with a worse top pair and also to help balance your check turns when u are weak so your opponent can not always donk bet the river on u out of postion usually in this case knowing your are usually weak when u check back the turn.

 

Does this logic seem to make sense?   In the book u guys say 13 is the worst spr but then mention something about 8 being bad meaning that most opponets will not bet or call   8 spr's without at leastt two pair or tp / top kicker.  

   And maybe that looser opponents like myself correctly call spr's of say 12 or lower if i do think the player is actully capable of firing a 3rd  all in river bets on a bluff cuz many many opponents seem not to be capable of doing and usually are not going to beat them often enough when getting the usual 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 on their river bets.

mike cribbs

10:07 am
March 26, 2011


Matt Flynn

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Hi Mike,

The real issue isn't an SPR of 13.  It is whether you can get all-in profitably.  It you cannot, you want to keep the pot small.  If you can, you still may not want to get all-in if playing a smaller pot will be more profitable (say getting half the stacks in you figure to win 70% of the time but getting all-in you expect to win 52% of the time – getting half in is more profitable even though you are committed).

SPR is just a quick check to see whether playing a big pot is going to be good or bad for you.

Matt

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