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8:52 am
October 20, 2009
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jw2390
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Anyone beating the game for thousands of dollars a month like the authors suggest?
LOL, yeah didn't think so.
How about even for hundreds of dollars a month?
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8:02 pm
October 20, 2009
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Matt Flynn
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fact is most poker players are lazy. you're not going to get there 6-tabling 10 hours a week.
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6:01 pm
October 21, 2009
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jw2390
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Okay, how many table hours per week will get there?
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11:57 pm
October 21, 2009
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Post edited 6:58 am – October 22, 2009 by mysecondwind
It probably depends on you. A lot of factors.
Have you ever played computer games? In that case you can control more action on your screen and therefore play more tables. But usually 4 tables is enough amount to stay in concentration.
And the same is for table hours. The more you play the more different game spots you meet the more experience you get. But you should play only when you are not hungry, tired, out of control… There is nothing new anyone will suggest you to do.
But you have to take into account that not only playing will help you to reach your goal. You have to spend time for reading, posting, sweating, watching, analyzing. You should have a ratio of playing:learning.
Do you want to find a well-paid job and earn money? If yes, you have to go and get an education, spend from 3 to 5 years (4-8 hours 4-5 days a week depends on intensity) and then get a work experience. If you do not want to spend time learning you can be a crafter. But it will be a hard job and salary is not so high.
The same can be related to the poker. If you spend a lot of time you will probably succeed. If you do not want to spend a lot of time you can beat games with neutral EV and get your RB.
But this is an interesting subject for discussion. I would like to heard Ed's, Matt's or Sunny's point of view. Do you guys think that everyone can beat 1-2 6max games with a winrate of 3-5ptbb/100 if has a serious attitude to the game? Or do you need some kind of talent for it?
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1:36 pm
October 22, 2009
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Matt Flynn
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mysecondwind said:
Post edited 11:58 pm – October 21, 2009 by mysecondwind
But this is an interesting subject for discussion. I would like to heard Ed's, Matt's or Sunny's point of view. Do you guys think that everyone can beat 1-2 6max games with a winrate of 3-5ptbb/100 if has a serious attitude to the game? Or do you need some kind of talent for it?
No, I don't hink everyone can do it. Far from it. I think only a small percentage have the determination and discipline to maintain even a 1ptbb/100 win rate over a million hands in modern games with modern rakes. Many more could do it if there were no rake, or if they were good at bumhunting. Rake is the big killer.
That said I think a substantial percentage who actually read and digest this book can do it. Few people actually study books, and those that do tend to do much better than their peers.
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12:10 pm
October 25, 2009
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Ichiro
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that's why rakeback is so important to maximizing your profits. It makes us losers into winners!!!
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7:02 am
October 26, 2009
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mullethaiku
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Can someone give me the scoop on rakeback in general? I have been so busy studying and playing I have ignored this subject thus far. Does PokerStars offer this? What about Full Tilt and the smaller sites?
Thanks!
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1:51 pm
October 26, 2009
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Hitman
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mullethaiku said:
Can someone give me the scoop on rakeback in general? I have been so busy studying and playing I have ignored this subject thus far. Does PokerStars offer this? What about Full Tilt and the smaller sites?
Thanks!
Stars does not, Tilt and pretty much all the smaller sites do. You can not be an existing member however, you must sign up new.
How it works is the sites offer affiliate programs where people can become an affiliate and receive a link/bonus codes that tie a new user to their affiliate account. They get people to go sign up at the site in question, the site knows they did because the new account is linked to their affiliation via their special link or bonus code. In exchange for driving them new business, the site pays the affiliate a % of any rake generated by the new player.
And that's where rakeback comes in… rakeback sites are essentially large-scale affiliates who say hey, sign up through our link and we'll give you X% of your rake back. So basically they're taking that affiliate % they get on you, keeping a cut, and splitting the rest back to you.
Make sure you find a reputable one so you don't wind up not getting your rakeback some time. There's plenty of big ones out there that are solid. I have 2 different ones I use with no problems. Also some of the bigger forum sites have rakeback programs, I'd trust them. P5's, pXf, etc. rakeback can be found.
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2:41 pm
October 26, 2009
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mullethaiku
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Thanks hitman…which rakeback sites would you recommend for Full Tilt or Cake? Thanks
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3:25 pm
October 26, 2009
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MinusEV
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mullethaiku said:
Thanks hitman…which rakeback sites would you recommend for Full Tilt or Cake? Thanks
http://www.rakefreeze.com/ is solid and very good.
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12:56 pm
October 28, 2009
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mullethaiku
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MinusEV said:
mullethaiku said:
Thanks hitman…which rakeback sites would you recommend for Full Tilt or Cake? Thanks
http://www.rakefreeze.com/ is solid and very good.
Thanks!
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2:20 pm
October 28, 2009
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Hitman
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RakeBrain is one I use, also very good and never a problem getting paid… they offer the same %'s as rakefreeze for FT and Cake.
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5:08 pm
October 28, 2009
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If I had to do it over again, I would go with the rakeback deal being provided by cardrunners. 3 months free cardsrunner or stoxpoker subscription, free HEM, and full rakeback. Seems to beat the freerolls and rake races Im getting at raketherake.
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10:07 am
November 6, 2009
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threads13
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jw2390 said:
Okay, how many table hours per week will get there?
FWIW, I think that's a really hard question to answer. It is obviously going to vary from person to person. For example, maybe my win-rate is 2bb/100 paying 9 tables, but it is 4bb/100 playing 4. Now maybe your's is 3bb/100 playing 9 tables and 3.5bb/100 playing 4. Then get into the fact that winrates from past results are never completely accurate and we run into a lot of problems. Throw in the fact of standard deviation like mentioned at then end of this book in the bankroll section and all of a sudden the question becomes almost impossible to answer.
Personally I've been playing professionally for over a year now and I can tell you that based on my past results that it is certainly possible that I could make 6 figures if I didn't like movies, women, beer, playing guitar, sleeping, doing nothing, etc… as much as I do! :) As far as making thousands of dollars a month… that is VERY achievable and tends to be the norm.
Hope that helps!
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10:57 am
November 6, 2009
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5:19 pm
November 6, 2009
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Mark
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Threads13 said: "As far as making thousands of dollars a month… that is VERY achievable and tends to be the norm."
Got any results to post there pal?
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12:57 pm
November 7, 2009
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Mark said:
Threads13 said: “As far as making thousands of dollars a month… that is VERY achievable and tends to be the norm.”
Got any results to post there pal?
I am not going to post my results for the reasons that Matt mentioned in another thread once upon a time. I don't like making my financial aspects known to everyone in the world. Simple as that.
I mean it's simple math… Say you are winning at 2 big blinds/100 hands(a conservative win-rate). Also, ignore the fact that we don't ever really have a good idea what our win-rate is, but picking a conservative one will mitigate that somewhat. At $1/2 this is $4/100 hands. So to average making $2k a month you would simply need to play…
2000 = 4x
500 = x
500*100 = 50,000 hands
Obviously we are sometimes going to win more or less because 50k hands is an EXTREMELY small sample but the point holds true regardless. Playing 50k hands a month is certainly very doable. I would say something like 9 tabling for 80 hours a month should get you there.
In summary it's certainly easily achievable for a winning player and I can vouch, as can my results over a large sample, for the fact that the concepts in this book are everything the authors say they are. I've been using them for over a year now and my results would generally be considered quite good.
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1:38 pm
November 7, 2009
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Mark
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Post edited 9:40 pm – November 7, 2009 by Mark
You can't vouch for anything. This excuse of not wanting to post results is simply a cop out. Seriously, if you are THAT afraid of getting unwanted attention, simply black out your screen name and POST your results. If you can't back it up, you don't have the goods. Simple as that.
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2:34 pm
November 7, 2009
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threads13
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Mark said:
Post edited 1:40 pm – November 7, 2009 by Mark
You can't vouch for anything. This excuse of not wanting to post results is simply a cop out. Seriously, if you are THAT afraid of getting unwanted attention, simply black out your screen name and POST your results. If you can't back it up, you don't have the goods. Simple as that.
Tell ya what… you send me an email at jacob@threads13.com and I will send you a graph of this year. The only catch is you have to announce in this thread that I followed through with what I said I would do and that I can therefore vouch for the authenticity of this book(as I said I could). I have nothing to gain from this other than the truth being out there.
Do we have a deal?
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3:05 pm
November 7, 2009
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Mark
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