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12:11 am
February 9, 2010
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whippy dip
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Seriously, NONE of the advice in this book works at micro stakes.
Let me repeat that. NONE of the advice in this book is worth the paper it's printed on as far beating micro stakes is concerned.
Now, this book might indeed be all great for people at $200 no limit. Most people start out at micro stakes, however. Considering most poker players lose, a good book on how to beat these ridiculously impossible to read micro stakes tables would be extremely helpful.
You have pocket aces preflop? Unless you raise it 20 times the big blind, people latch onto your raise like a bunch of leeches. They then suck you dry when an uncoordinated 277 rainbow hits their 72 offsuit.
For those who don't believe the microstakes are harder than the higher limits, consider that Chris "Jesus" Ferguson said that "beating the microstakes, not the higher stakes, makes you a good player".
Now I ask, where are all the microstakes books???????????
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3:51 am
February 9, 2010
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Rocketfingers
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Thats a great idea, a good book packed with some videos. Maybe I will do one  I built up my bankroll from 50$ and playing 0.01/0.02 to playing 100NL-200NL with decent succes. Thinking back 2 years when I played the penny tables I wasn't an awesome player and still beat those stakes, so it can't be that dificult.
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4:20 am
February 9, 2010
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whippy dip said:
Seriously, NONE of the advice in this book works at micro stakes.
Let me repeat that. NONE of the advice in this book is worth the paper it's printed on as far beating micro stakes is concerned.
Oh well, you gotta think about it of course.
Basically, the book revolves around the logic that every hand has fold equity and showdown equity. If you´re playing the micros, then you have a lot less fold equity against your average unknown opponent. I´ll not do the work to look up specific examples right now, but I remember for sure that the chapter about going for value with made hands has examples where the hero is up against a loose opponent. Also, there´s so many taggish regs even at NL25, and no player is ever easier to hand reasd than a 13/9 micro stakes nit.
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9:22 am
February 9, 2010
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mullethaiku
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whippy dip said:
Seriously, NONE of the advice in this book works at micro stakes.
Let me repeat that. NONE of the advice in this book is worth the paper it's printed on as far beating micro stakes is concerned.
Now, this book might indeed be all great for people at $200 no limit. Most people start out at micro stakes, however. Considering most poker players lose, a good book on how to beat these ridiculously impossible to read micro stakes tables would be extremely helpful.
You have pocket aces preflop? Unless you raise it 20 times the big blind, people latch onto your raise like a bunch of leeches. They then suck you dry when an uncoordinated 277 rainbow hits their 72 offsuit.
For those who don't believe the microstakes are harder than the higher limits, consider that Chris "Jesus" Ferguson said that "beating the microstakes, not the higher stakes, makes you a good player".
Now I ask, where are all the microstakes books???????????
Not a bad idea whippy. The best advice I can give you is PATIENCE and VALUE BETTING. As someone else said, you fold equity goes way down at the micros. Wait for a good hand and punish the loose passive/calling stations, there is usually plenty at this level. Play patient, tight-agg ABC poker, in position and you should be good. This brings up another point, most players at the micros don't utilize position as well as they should, take advantage of this.
Also, between waiting on big hands to value bet against the calling stations, you can win many small pots by targeting the tight knits/setminers. There are plenty of them at the mircos as well. You can steal many small pots from them all day by being aggressive preflop and c-betting many flops. They will fold most of the time. However, if they call or raise you, you are likely beat, so fold often, but you can make up for this by stealing small pots frequently. Most of them only play super strong hands, and most play "fit or fold" post flop. (however if they call/raise the flop, proceed with caution, they are usually very strong and likely not folding on the turn or river)
Use a HUD if you can, to spot the calling stations and tight knits, and play very differently against them. Also, for the micros, the best part of SSNLHE to read is Ed's "7 easy steps to NL success" This solid TAG style taught in that section, plus correctly identifying and exploiting different player types as mentioned above, should be all you need to succeed at the micros.
Save most of the advanced, tricky moves outlined in SSNLHE for higher stakes and tougher games. They are meant for skilled, thinking opponents. Your micro opponents will often not even be paying attention enough for those moves to be effective.
Hope that helps a little.
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4:05 am
February 11, 2010
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dvarrin
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whippy dip said:
Seriously, NONE of the advice in this book works at micro stakes.
Let me repeat that. NONE of the advice in this book is worth the paper it's printed on as far beating micro stakes is concerned.
Now, this book might indeed be all great for people at $200 no limit. Most people start out at micro stakes, however. Considering most poker players lose, a good book on how to beat these ridiculously impossible to read micro stakes tables would be extremely helpful.
You have pocket aces preflop? Unless you raise it 20 times the big blind, people latch onto your raise like a bunch of leeches. They then suck you dry when an uncoordinated 277 rainbow hits their 72 offsuit.
For those who don't believe the microstakes are harder than the higher limits, consider that Chris "Jesus" Ferguson said that "beating the microstakes, not the higher stakes, makes you a good player".
Now I ask, where are all the microstakes books???????????
What you wrote is a big releave for me whippy, because I have so much problems to play low stakes, and winning players are taking it easy on higher stakes.
That's not uncommon to be against a player with pocket 7's that will keep on betting and calling on a flop AKJ all same suited. This is sometime driving me crazy. And when I'm reading the advices in some books, I'm thinking twice if if author is really a good player.
I guess I won't do a lot of 3rd barrels in NL10 ;-)))
I was watching a teaching video of a very good player playing mainly NL 400 or bigger, but in that video he was playing a NL10 game. In a hand he had nothing and when a completing flush ace came on the turn, he decided to bet more than the pot as a bluff. I was thinking in my mind how a very bad idea and the other player had already called is bet and showed only a small pair.
I'm sometime wondering if I should not better play at those higher stakes, because even if we learn how to play well in NL10 or NL25, then there is another whole learning process waiting for us when we start to play in NL200 or more.
Daniel
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7:19 am
February 14, 2010
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Game conditions in microstakes are different, so you will have to adapt what we say in SSNL, and many plays won't apply. If you use them cookie-cutter style without thinking about whether your game is different, you'll screw yourself. We're pretty clear about what game conditions our advice works in, and in many cases microstakes does NOT meet those conditions. Up to you to adapt. The forums here can help you with specifics.
Microstakes remains far easier than $1-$2, at least on FullTilt. It's a great training ground though, because the players are so different. Identifying the spewtards and the spew-callers and the nits helps a ton. Nit raises, you fold. Flop tptk against spew-caller, bet three streets. If you lose so be it. Flop two pair against aggro spewtard, check two or even three streets. Again, up to you to adapt, and the whole game is about adaptation.
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1:23 am
February 15, 2010
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dvarrin
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Thank you for your answer Matt and also for your book.
It contains a lot a good things and I could learn already a lot about cash game. I was mainly playing low stakes tournament so far. I learned already a lot and I've to read it and study it more. This book and volume 1 are really great books. And the advices are well adapted to the modern and aggressive poker.
Daniel
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8:55 am
March 2, 2010
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Steven
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I noticed the post mentioning a book on how to beat the micro stakes was deleted. This just shows the true nature of the person that deleted the post. Matt Flynn has admitted that their book was NOT written for the micro stakes. Someone comes along and writes a book detailing how to beat those limits and it gets deleted! Why should the authors need to delete a post regarding limits that there book fails to address? Are they THAT paranoid?
To whomever deleted that post: Much more would have been said about your character and confidence had you just left the post alone.
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11:06 am
March 2, 2010
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Post edited 11:08 am – March 2, 2010 by Sunny Mehta
Steven,
I deleted the post simply because it contained what looked like a sketchy external link. Everyone here would admit to the fact that the three of us are pretty lax about moderating this forum. But I think we can also all agree that the quality of the forum is improved without vehement spamming/trolling/linking to possible trojans etc, so that's pretty much the only place we draw the line.
It's possible I erred in this case and the link was legit, nevertheless I will continue to err on the side of caution when I see someone post an unknown link. I obv have no problem with anyone mentioning and even discussing someone else's book, particularly a book that could be helpful to the students here. So please feel free to repost the name and author of the aforementioned book, and even better, tell why you like it. (Note that had the post contained a name, author, description, and link, I would've just deleted the link and left everything else. However, that particular post was a one-line post with a url and nothing more.)
-Sunny
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3:44 pm
March 2, 2010
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crushthemicros
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Post edited 3:46 pm – March 2, 2010 by crushthemicros
Post edited 3:46 pm – March 2, 2010 by crushthemicros
The title of the book is No Limit Hold'em – Beating the Micro Stakes by Thomas Mitchell.
It wasn't a sketchy link. Would you prefer the amazon link?
No Limit Hold'em – Beating the Micro Stakes
The author's personal blog:
No Limit Hold'em – Beating the Micro Stakes
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10:14 pm
January 31, 2012
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tom
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There is a new book on micro by BlackRain79. Google it.
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