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10:17 pm
June 16, 2009
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jz1014
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I know this is a serious text and so far it has been great, but while I was reading the value betting section the following passage on page 118 made me LOL:
"Bad players like this make some terrible river calls. Don’t give
them more credit than they deserve. When out of position and on the
fence about value betting such an opponent, just stick the money in.
And don’t forget to mark the name so you can find him later."
I don't know if it was meant to be humorous or not, but I've been frustrated so many times when bad players leave the table before I can mark them green (my color on FT for fish) that the line got a good chuckle out of me. :P
What about you guys, have you come across anything so far that gave you an unexpected laugh? If so then please share!
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1:16 am
June 17, 2009
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tonytight
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i like the term 'wet noodle'……..moo ha ha moooohaaa ha ha
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3:38 am
June 17, 2009
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the_wet_noodle
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NOT FUNNNY!!! 
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5:59 am
June 17, 2009
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jdk050507
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The part that made me laugh was when they authors say something like "putting a 1-2 online pro into a live 1-2 or 2-5 game is like putting a professional football player into a game full of 14 year olds" lol. This was hilarious.
However, after thinking about this statement (which I DO mostly agree with), I think the statement could be a little misleading.
Anyone who read at least up to page 100 so far knows this book is EXTREMELY complicated (at least to me!….am I the only one?) and jam packed with advanced strategies for tough games. I seriously had to slow down and I am restricting myself to about 10 pages of study per day.
I would go ahead and say confidently that while anyone who can master these strategies would definitely be the "NFL player with a field of 14 year olds" while playing live, these strategies are still relevant, but largely unecessary in a typical 1-2 live game. If you decided to try to play this tricky in a 1-2 live game…..you would end up tricking no one but yourself.
Either way, I think the point is that IF you can adjust to online 1-2 six max games and master these strategies, you can adjust to absolutely crush 1-2 live games, which is a true statement…..but most of these advanced strategies are not needed.
I'm not pretending to know more than anyone else here (especially the authors), but just throwing it out there for discussion!
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7:06 am
June 17, 2009
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Hi jdk,
You are dead on about not needing tricky plays. In SSNL we give conext, such as "when your opponent 3-bets light often, do this…." In live $1-$2 there typically isn't a lot of light 3-betting, so you wouldn't do that.
PNL is the book for loose live $1-$2 games.
Matt
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10:58 am
June 17, 2009
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Ed Miller
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jdk,
While you don't necessarily want to play "tricky" in a live $1-$2 game, the skill that the book teaches that will have you destroying those guys is AGGRESSION. All the playing position and barrelling just picks them apart. They are way too eager to play from out of position, and they give you far too much information about their hand ranges, making finding the right spots to throw out barrels and scoop pots much, much easier than it is in an online 6-max game.
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12:07 pm
June 17, 2009
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jdk050507
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Ed Miller said:
……the skill that the book teaches that will have you destroying those guys is AGGRESSION. All the playing position and barrelling just picks them apart. ………
I definitely see your point, and actually after reading further in (I'm just about done reading the book now) I can see allot of relevance to live games.
However, I would still argue, just as Matt noted above, that some concepts are irrelevant to live 1-2 play. I don't think this is a bad thing, and I can't say they are ALWAYS irrelevant, just usually. Your first book is definitely the primer for crushing 1/2 live games.
On the other hand, I can now see why every time I ever played 1-2 NL online I got my ass kicked up one side and down the other.
This book is seriously going to take me a few months to digest….if not longer.
I am really enjoying the book and I can speak for allot of people when I say that you guys did great with it, and we really appreciate you publishing all your expertise and information.
-jdk050507
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2:53 pm
June 17, 2009
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ErikTheDread
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"Setminers turn into nits when they’re all grown up."
Zing!
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2:57 pm
June 17, 2009
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Pete
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Funny true story
So Ed has made that reference about set miners growing up to nits in one his Stox videos. I was at a table and noticed a guy on there that's just recently started to open up his game a bit. He gets on me all the time for the hands I play and I pick on his set miner tendencies. So anyway, I made the comment 'Looking like you're growing up xxx, not quite the set miner anymore'. He responds 'yeah, I follow Ed Miller too'. LOL
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1:46 pm
June 20, 2009
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couriermike
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This made me laugh: p. 252, 'Stop being a wuss and widen your range.' LOL 
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3:28 pm
June 20, 2009
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Pete
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couriermike said:
This made me laugh: p. 252, 'Stop being a wuss and widen your range.' LOL
haha perfect!
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10:14 am
June 25, 2009
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shtStirrer
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I like the part about being a football player playing with 14 year olds… haha
And not only that, the authors put it in the beginning of the book… that's like throwing down the gauntlet and saying we dare you to say that the book sucks, after you read it
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